damn!
how can you go around telling people that!
?.
I think thats all in the 'OTHER' bible dontcallmeshirley....there's no hell in Este's bible...none...nada...not even a teeny tiny spark....
Maybe Este uses 'The message bible'...that one is so acurate. I'ts unbelievable....truly unbelievable!
LOL Tal
wow, just saw this on the news.
truly devastating.. sorry i have no words to offer anyone other than that we're thinking of anyone who'd been affected..
My thoughts are with all the people affected by this...
i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
It's just that the more I read the more questions there are. About everything!....tornapart
I know! Isn't life wonderful!
Deciding WHAT to read next is one of the most difficult decisions and the most exciting.
i can't decide if it is based on jealousy, class or the watchtower.
that shameful cult turned the word ambition into a dirty word.
it made the idea of self reliance and self worth a tainted thing.
Well done snare...
The best way to control people is to keep them ignorant. It's not surprising that they don't want people to educate themselves or feel good about themselves is it? It keeps them needy and malleable.
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I'm reading that at the moment...excellent book. Very thought provoking. And great for encouraging us to look at our own behaviour and attitudes too.
in a couple of hours i'm going to the doctor - an intervention.
i don't want to be a burdon to my mother, she has her own life to lead with her own responsibilities.
i've always been able to take care of everything for myself.
Well done Lou Belle...((((hug))))
http://www.hangthebankers.com/evidence-suggests-that-up-to-90-of-landmark-cancer-research-may-be-false/.
a surprizing and shocking report, if true.
tends to confirm some of my biases about how medical research is grossly distorted.. .
Oh well, I guess you have a problem with reading comprehension - I didn't say chemio, radiation and surgery should NOT be used.
I just said Big Pharma is CORRUPT....Tal
Thats what I read you say...sometimes we see what we want don't we? Guess he didn't want to see what you were really saying. Just what he presumed you were saying. Happens to us all.
http://www.hangthebankers.com/evidence-suggests-that-up-to-90-of-landmark-cancer-research-may-be-false/.
a surprizing and shocking report, if true.
tends to confirm some of my biases about how medical research is grossly distorted.. .
Teva won't say why they discontinued making Vermox (mebendazole) in the US, an inexpensive anti-parasite drug.
I don't understand this claim about Vermox...we can still buy it in NZ. Have they only stopped selling it in the US?
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I wasn't objecting...I was pointing out that this thread keeps flip flopping between talking about what people do on this forum..and what people do elsewhere. And when I ask for clairification about WHAT we are actually discussing. I am told it's about people attacking noobies, which I can't say I've seen. And ripping peoples faith away. Which really isn't possible. You have to rip your OWN faith away. No one else can do it for you. And no one here is trying to do that to anyone as far as I'm concerened. The irony is that most atheists would fight for your right to believe what you want...many just think that what you believe is nonsense and will say so, which as far as I am aware has never caused anyone to loose their faith. I don't want to forcibly make anyone stop believing in their imaginary god. That really is THEIR problem at the end of the day.
Some believers seem to think atheists have an agenda to strip them of their faith. Well I don't. I am simply discussing it because it interests me having been sucked into it for so many years. However, it does often seem that some believers have an agenda to try and convert people...it is their god given mission, they want to save everyone and do the will of their master.
Just as that person earlier on in this thread pointed out that the best way to preach is without a word. So the agenda is to preach. Should we take offense when we are blatantly being preached to? We could, I mean some people exiting a cult are quite suceptable to the next god delusion that is offered to them, these preachers as messing with vulnerable peoples minds. Many are looking for the 'real truth' about God. Not necessarily THE truth, just another version of what they had, keeping the fundamentals (ie Jesus as their saviour) and rarely completley changing to a different god or holy book all together. Just more of the same with a different spin. But for most people they are VERY transparent in their preaching. So they are not really a threat to many.
Either way...it makes for interesting debates as long as one party doesn't get all 'persecution complex' at the drop of a hat.
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Though I sympathise in a general way with the sentiment of your last paragraph ST, I would still urge that if you can it is best to be sensible to the needs of the individual, if known to you.
So again...we are veering away from discussing/debating with people on an internet forum...to those in our personal lives.
I do not discuss belief with people in my personal life unless they start discussing it with me first, or I know from previous experience they are open to discussing it. Which rarely happens. I do discuss it on internet forums.
This is why this thread is so confusing. We apply different rules to different situations. People who WANT to discuss their beliefs with atheists on an internet forum are not the same as people who do not like to discuss their beliefs because they are personal and precious to them. This thread keeps slipping into different situations and applying what we say and do here to ALL of them.
This is why I keep asking, are we talking about discussions/debates ON THIS FORUM or everywhere? People who participate in debates need to know that their opinions and strongly held beliefs WILL be challenged and dissected. It is naive to think they won't.
As I said before, I do not approach people and challenge their beliefs. I don't do it to my inlaws (who are VERY religious) I don't do it to strangers. I discuss belief on an internet forum designed for this purpose.
I had very strong faith...I lost it (or more correctly, ditched it). And not lightly. It was my choice to question MYSELF, no one did it for me. I could still be believing if I chose to ignore everything people say, and not explore what evolution REALLY is. And not be honest with myself. But I chose not to do that. Yes, it was a difficult pill to swallow. If you are not confident that you would survive having your belief challenged, don't debate it. Simple. Live in your fantasy world of your own creation.
